Using Productive, Globaldatanet Gets Data That They Never Had Before
Globaldatanet is a cloud-native development and optimization agency with headquarters in Hamburg and offices in Berlin and Belgrade. Recently we had a chat with their CEO, Marc Schröter, to hear how Globaldatanet now successfully manages their three branches in Productive—from sales to invoicing.
Tell us a bit about your clients, the type of work you do, and how big you are as an agency.
I’m the CEO and founder of Globaldatanet. We started out with one person (me) four years ago, and today we’re 24 people across three branches. We focus on helping our partners build innovative solutions on Amazon Web Services.
When did you start using Productive?
In December 2020 we signed up for a trial, and we committed already then.
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What did your operations look like before? Were you using other tools?
We tried a lot of tools, but we couldn’t find the perfect one for our needs. In the end, the tool we were using before Productive was just for invoicing and creating projects, but since we have a lot of multi-base invoicing—it was very challenging.
We used to have a lot of discussions with accounting to figure out what we needed to invoice. Our team was growing at the time, so we had a lot of different work going on. We struggled a lot to stay on top of everything.
“We used to have a lot of discussions with accounting to figure out what we needed to invoice. We struggled a lot to stay on top of everything.”
So you couldn’t get real data on where your team’s time was going?Â
No, especially while working on bigger projects where we had multiple roles and budgets within a project.
What were other pain points you wanted to solve with Productive?
We didn’t have resource management before. We couldn’t schedule our teammates on different projects. As our team got bigger, we needed the possibility to see the resource scheduling and utilization rates of our team members. We couldn’t manage multiple branches or have an overview of time off management.Â
Can you say that managing your entire agency in Productive has streamlined your processes and made them faster?
Yes, now processes are definitely faster since we manage everything in one place. We use Productive to create proposals, manage projects, and then create invoices once they’re delivered. You also helped us create our custom invoice template, which was really cool.Â
With Productive, we see a lot of numbers that we didn’t see before. Now we’re tracking time on internal projects, which we never used to do. Now we know too much!Â
Since we’re developing our own product internally, we can see how much money we’re spending on it, along with internal meetings. We also hired a project manager and she’s really happy with the project forecasting. She can track available budgets, even on a task level. The teammates are able to see the number of hours that are left on certain tasks.
“It’s great to be able to see until what point some projects will be profitable and when they won’t be anymore.”
Does it give your teammates more responsibility or make them feel more accountable for their work?
Before, they were completely blind as to whether we were on track. They always needed to ask how many hours were left per project, but now they can see that in the tool. So yes, Productive gives them more accountability and responsibility. It’s great to be able to see until what point some projects will be profitable and when they won’t be anymore.Â
Is there anything that you gained from Productive that wasn’t immediately visible? Were you surprised by something unexpected that you got?
Yes, there were a lot of pleasant surprises. Initially, we switched tools because we wanted to invoice in an easier way. There’s a lot of different ways to invoice, like fixed-price, hourly, payments in advance, multiple services, multiple roles, etc. This was the biggest problem we were experiencing before.
We never really had the need for more transparency because we didn’t have it, so we thought everything was fine. That was a really surprising moment, to get accurate numbers. Now we have clear data, data that we could never see before.Â
Another thing we didn’t expect was that you’re really interested in your customers’ suggestions. Sometimes you push out new releases in a few days and that really shows us that you listen to our needs.
Any growth results you can share?
I think the greatest result we can actually measure is the fact that our teammates are really happy to use the tool. We work with young, really innovative people, and they need to have the best tools.Â
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SRH Uses Productive As Their Single Source of Truth
SRH has been using Productive for two and a half years. As an agency, they focus on adapting their processes based on their clients’ needs, and using Productive has helped them stay flexible in responding to those needs. We spoke with SRH’s Managing Director, Jonathan Gundlach to hear how SRH became more efficient and grew using Productive.
Tell us a bit about your agency and your role at SRH.
We’re SRH and we’re about 7 years old. Since I arrived three years ago, my role has shifted and grown. First I was a project manager, then I was the operations manager when we started using the tool, and now I’m the managing director!Â
We recently reorganized internally to give our teams more autonomy and responsibility in SRH’s growth. I’m excited about the way that we’re able to manage everything in Productive, especially the project financials, overhead costs, and the expenses and budgets within projects. The more I learn about the tool, the more I love it. We’re excited about all the offerings it has for us.
What’s your background in the agency business and what’s your experience with business management tools?
I’ve been in the industry for about 25 years now. Throughout the years I was in charge of finding agency management tools. I came to SRH three years ago when there were about 10 of us on the team. There was no time tracking and we did our invoicing through spreadsheets and Quickbooks.Â
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So your role within the organization changed: you used to be a project and operations manager, and now you’re the managing director. What benefits are you experiencing for your role now?Â
Before, as the operations manager, once something became a project I was spending a lot of time managing information within those projects. Now I’m mentoring Sara and Julie—our project managers—on how to manage budgets and do things within the tool. They are both uber-talented, smart people and are now showing me better ways to do things, which is awesome.Â
I think it’s really helpful that we’re all using Productive on a daily basis. Now my use of the tool is on a higher level though, and more focused on looking into reports and data.
“Productive gives us a central place to see where we are. It actually shows us how we’re doing on our budgets and it gives us a place to manage our out-of-pocket expenses.”
Can you remember what it was like managing projects and operations before Productive? What did you lack?
Before, above all, we lacked transparency. At that time our projects were simpler and there weren’t as many of them, but just the fact that we were using various spreadsheets made it hard to have all the data we needed.Â
Productive gives us a central place to see where we are. It actually shows us how we’re doing on our budgets and it gives us a place to manage our out-of-pocket expenses. We also do some pretty complicated video shoots and production and it helps manage those complex projects.
Does it help you monitor your profitability?
I think that in project management there’s a tendency to focus solely on profitability, but it’s inevitable that projects will go over budget, and that’s ok. However, it’s important to have transparency on where that stands, and Productive gives us that visibility.
The other feature we really embraced is having multiple budgets within a project. Now I can close sections of a project and I have the ability to move money around, which I really like. We just started using the PTO, the time off management feature, and that also makes my life easier. I also really like how Scheduling gives me an overview of resource planning.
“I tried a lot of different software in the past and none had the sales to project management, invoicing to task and resource management in one tool. To me, all those features are the holy grail of an agency management tool.“
Would you say that Productive is an end-to-end agency management tool?
Absolutely. I tried a lot of different software in the past and none had the sales to project management, invoicing to task and resource management in one tool. To me, all those features are the holy grail of an agency management tool. I knew from my experience that it would help us grow. Now I can’t imagine using any tool other than Productive.Â
I’m sure you have future plans for SRH. Are you confident that Productive will be able to support your growth plans?
Yes, absolutely. The modular aspect of it suits our growth. We have all our people in Productive divided into teams which we assign to clients. If only half of the clients are currently active, using the flexibility of custom fields we can see who’s active and inactive. Once you understand how things work in Productive, it’s very flexible and there’s a lot of possibilities for growth and expansion.
What was the learning curve like and how was it onboarding the team?
Around 80% of the agency uses Productive for time tracking. The project managers and I are using it most and we’re still learning as we go. We embrace the changes that keep coming and we regularly make recommendations that we think would make things easier and better. I think they’ve been received well.
Would you say that your agency’s work has become more streamlined?
Yes, I’m very disciplined around putting new opportunities in as sales deals and tracking them all the way through, then marking them as sold. That’s an area where I know I’m putting in the data the right way. With time, I’m sure we’ll be getting great results out of the data in reports.
Last, but not least: how would you feel if you didn’t have Productive?
Just based on my history and experience, if we weren’t using Productive now, and we’ve been using it for two and a half years—there’s a very good chance that whatever we would have wouldn’t be fitting all our needs right now. I’ve looked at other tools and I’ve seen how they work. We’d probably be integrating with other tools and that would be frustrating and time consuming.
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Clear Launch Has More Predictability and Consistency With Productive
Before using Productive, software development agency Clear Launch struggled with optimizing their utilization rates and predicting future work. This made it hard to understand which projects weren’t profitable and how much time they were spending on internal work. Now, they run their entire agency in Productive: from sales to invoicing, and everything in between. We spoke with Orion Jensen, CEO of Clear Launch, to see how they optimized their internal processes and grew using Productive.
How old is Clear Launch, how many people do you employ?
We were founded in 2013. We kind of bootstrapped the business. It started off with me writing software for people from our network. I’ve got one partner—he’s an investor who was trying to help local companies get off the ground. The company was formed by getting these startups off the ground. Over time, we slowly grew with the market. Today we’ve got 15 individuals on staff. We’re broken down into 3 smaller software development teams. We do a mix of startup work and enterprise software development. We tend to focus on Microsoft technologies, which is a little more enterprisey.
Would you say that your clients are mostly startups and if yes, which industries do they cater to?
Some of our earlier clients were startups but we have grown as they have. One of our bigger clients is Tiff’s Treats, they have 59 locations in Texas, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina. They were the first company in the United States to focus on online warm cookie delivery. Another one of our clients is basically the TurboTax for truckers and has processed over 1 million Heavy Highway Vehicles. Sports Clips is a national chain with over 1,600 locations which caters to men and boys by providing hassle-free hairstyling in a sports-themed environment. Our focus and drive is building powerful, custom, operation-focused technology solutions for committed clients.
“That was probably the biggest added value of switching to Productive: connecting billing and project management.”
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Do you remember what your operations and project management looked like before you started using Productive? What kind of overview did you have of what was happening in the company?
In the very beginning, we started with Harvest, which covered time tracking and invoicing. On the project management side, we bounced back and forth between Trello and AgileCentral (Rally was another name for it). We used a number of different things. As you know, time tracking and billing are disconnected from your work. So, being able to go down to a micro-level and do an estimate vs. an actual, we can say: “OK, well, I told you this thing was going to take me 100 hours, but it took me 200 hours. Let’s see where we went wrong.” We never had that data because our management systems were disconnected. That was probably the biggest added value of switching to Productive: connecting billing and project management.Â
So when you say those things were disconnected… What did that cause for you internally? What were the side effects?Â
One big side effect was just not having the data for our client to know their true project status. Setting good customer expectations is huge in our business. It was never possible to give someone a comprehensive project update that said: “We’re 50% through your budget and we’re 50% through with your project, so we’re on track.” Instead, we would know one or the other, but trying to marry the two was just so time-intensive that it wouldn’t get done. So, you’d get to the end of a project, and then there would be surprises in terms of the budget—which ultimately leads to unhappy clients.
“Having estimates at the detailed, task-level and the system automatically keeping track of how much time is remaining—now we have the tool that has the capability to do this.”
Did you ever break a budget?
Yeah, it’s happened. Your project ends up going over and you don’t realize it along the way because you don’t have these micro-level estimates. We had that with at least one client who wanted to go back and dive into the details of how we went over budget. We had timesheets, but there was no way to tell why something went over.
With software development, we have to build based on estimates, and there’s a lot of things that are or aren’t in your control. A project is made up of hundreds and thousands of tasks and to-dos. If you can explain things reasonably, clients are generally understanding. But if you don’t have the data, you lose that story over the course of months of work. If you lose track of the details, it’s hard for clients to feel OK about the bill they’re getting at the end of the day.
Do you easily get information out and communicate it with clients in Productive, or is it still a lot of work?
It’s much better. Having estimates at the detailed, task-level and the system automatically keeping track of how much time is remaining—now we have the tool that has the capability to do this. There’s still a bit of work to make sure that the data stays good. Our business is always challenging, but the tool is way better than what we had before, and now we have the data.
“We’ve always known how we were doing as a company on a monthly basis, but knowing on a per-project level, in real time—we never really had that visibility.”
Were you always aware of how much profit you were making? Were you surprised when you got more details?
I feel like it’s way better now. We do our financials at the end of the month. We’ve always known on a monthly basis how we’re doing as a company, but knowing on a per-project level, in real time—we never really had that visibility. You guys do a good job of providing that. If you look at it on a yearly basis, it does give us the ability to look, per client and per project, where we really stand. Being an agency, we have to keep everybody busy. The Scheduling component is more interesting and more valuable to us than the profitability side of the tool.
So, you want to keep people fully utilized, not too much, not too little, right?
Yeah, and it takes a lot of planning. You can’t just throw a person onto a project. Depending on their skills and what they do, the project has to be at the right stage for someone to jump in and contribute. So, if I throw a front-end developer into a project that doesn’t have requirements yet, he’s not going to be able to contribute well.
So, I have to know that this person has free time coming up in the next two weeks, and I need to have something for him to do. How do I get something that’s far enough along for this person, or within his wheelhouse, to keep him utilized?Â
That’s what you use Scheduling for, right?
For a business like ours, utilization is the only metric that a business like ours really cares about.
How were you tracking your utilization before? Was it lower or higher than now? Did you have enough data?
It wasn’t scientific, we didn’t really have a tool for it. It was more just managing it on the fly. Now we have visibility into it. This forecasting report that you guys have, we turned that into a weekly meeting. Our project management team looks at all their projects and balances all their resources and see if we have any holes, or if we’re fighting over the same resources. We’re able to trade and plan through it, which is not something that we did before.
That’s a really good internal process. Have you seen the benefits? Are project managers happier? Do you see improvements in utilization, is there less chaos?
There’s less chaos for sure. Before, I’d have to think of something for people to do without having any planning towards it. Often it would end up being just busy work and not things that were super valuable to our company. We have internal projects that we have people contribute to, as long as we have a week’s notice in advance, I can scope something out and find something we can really get value out of.Â
“Since the process has been baked into the tool and we clone it, the chances of people following the process and not missing critical details has been a huge win.”
Have you seen more progress with your internal projects since implementing this process? Are people bringing more value to those projects, are you commercializing them?Â
The one thing that we never had before that I really like is the ability to almost templatize our projects. We created a sample project that has all of our standard processes built into it. Whenever we start a new project, it’s something we can clone. That’s a huge advancement in terms of trying to have a consistent process across the company, and one that everybody follows. In the past, we used a giant document that people had read, looked at, or completely ignored. Since the process has been baked into the tool and we clone it, the chances of people following the process and not missing critical details has been a huge win.
“The fact that Productive is agency-focused means that the whole ecosystem fits together so that there are fewer tools we have to pull together in order to do what we need to do.”
Initially, you were looking for a tool that would help you drill down on estimates vs. projects. What made you decide to go for Productive?
Well, we were looking at a lot of different tools, but most of them weren’t agency-focused. The fact that Productive is agency-focused means that the whole ecosystem fits together so that there are fewer tools we have to pull together in order to do what we need to do. We have a more comprehensive picture and we’re not fighting the tool to make it work for what we do. You guys understand who we are and what we’re trying to accomplish. And that’s just been a huge win.
Do you remember what other tools you were considering at the time?Â
We looked at Jira a time or two. We’ve looked at Projectmanager.com—they have a lot of Gantt chart style planning. In Productive, the ability to tie invoicing and detailed estimates and project deliverables: that’s kind of been the secret sauce.Â
Did you expect to get all of that in the beginning, or were you just expecting estimates and actuals?
I think trying to tie the invoicing to the tasks was the biggest thing I was looking for. The reporting, the support—there have been a lot of amazing things that we didn’t expect.Â
After implementing Productive, you’ve been using it for more than a year, what has changed? Do you feel that you’re a more mature organization, are you spending less time in spreadsheets, are you making more money?Â
More predictability is probably the biggest win for us. Having all of our projects be more consistent and reliable. It’s tough having three different teams each having 3-6 projects of varying nature and complexity. Being able to look into the details of what they’re doing and how, and being able to understand it quickly.Â
From a leadership standpoint, I’m able to jump in and analyze these projects, and from a team member’s standpoint, I’m able to go and work on three different projects and have a consistent process and a consistent set of tools. Some of our projects are very agile, some waterfall, some short, some very, very long. I feel like consistency and predictability has been very hard to get in our world. Some clients have a release every six weeks for years, other clients have one-time, three-month projects. Being able to take all that variability and put it into a consistent process allows us to actually manage it with transparency.
Did you get some benefits from Productive that you didn’t really expect at first?
Scheduling has brought a ton of value. The ability to add our clients to a project and collaborate using boards. The simplicity of billing clients at the end of a month with accuracy and profitability in mind. Plus, the API access, I wasn’t really planning on the ability to build my own stuff but knowing I can offers so much extensibility. Productive has been beyond my expectations.
Did you create your own Agile dashboard?
It’s really just meant to be a status report. The idea is having the system generate an automatic status report that sends to us on a weekly basis. If we’ve done our job right in maintaining the data in the system, a good automatic summary for a client tells them:
How are they doing on their budget, task estimates?
What are the risks right now?
What did we finish last week, what are we doing next week?
They get a comprehensive snapshot of the project so that the client never gets a surprise. We don’t have to worry if any client hasn’t got a budget update in a few months. We’ve automated that so that our Project Managers don’t have to do that.Â
For you as the CEO, Orion, how did your job change with Productive? Did you have a big learning curve? Are you now spending less time on something, more on something else?
Before, I think I was trusting the project managers a lot to make the projects work and succeed however they could. Some project managers are capable of pulling it all together and having no issues, and others come in to ask for help when things are on fire—when it’s too late to fix anything. A lot of my focus has been trying to get our teams in a consistent set of processes and tools so that there’s more visibility and predictability. So, my role has been process management and training, and using Productive to organize the way we do work as a result.Â
“Because we’ve always strived to be a high-quality vendor, I feel like having an all-in-one tool helps a lot.”
Did you spend a lot of time doing reports before, or you just didn’t have the data?
We didn’t have the data before, so we would hope things would work out ok. Ultimately, this will raise the quality of what we do because we can go back and take lessons learned. If we end up going over budget on particular tasks, we can go back and bake that into our process, and then it’s less likely for things to fall through the cracks. Because we’ve always strived to be a high-quality vendor, I feel like having an all-in-one tool helps a lot.Â
Are you sleeping more soundly because you have the data now?
The truth is, we can quickly get a pulse for where we are, at any given time. One way to get a pulse on the business is to get the monthly financials, but for the monthly financials to come in, it takes the accounting department about 15 days after the month ends before we get a picture of how we really did that month. Whereas, with the financial tools that Productive offers, you can check it on a daily basis. We have clear visibility at any given time.
Are there any growth numbers you can share, anything where you see significant improvement since using Productive?
From a revenue standpoint, our growth has been slower than expected due to the impacts of price pressure from offshore development companies, the delayed customer spending impacts from Covid-19 and the ever increasing volume of off the shelf software that constantly fills the market. But as these things happen you have to focus on containing expenses, improving efficiency, and ensuring customer value. Productive increases our efficiency and our productivity so we can focus on maximizing client value. I think just from my involvement, I’ve been able to step back a lot more and I don’t have to be part of every project— I can just trust the process. I don’t have to go talk to every project manager or ask a dozen questions. From my time and level of involvement, it’s improved a lot.
Do you think that Productive’s roadmap can follow the direction you’re taking in the future?
I am often excited by Productive’s roadmap. I feel like we are contributors in a way since I am often chatting with the Productive team by offering suggestions and the way we think about using Productive and I feel noticed and heard and features are constantly forthcoming that add value to what we are doing for our clients. You don’t get that from a lot of companies: a constantly improving, feature-rich roadmap with high visibility and eager anticipation.Â
Can you tell us about any project that you’re proud of?Â
We have so many cool ones, it’s tough to choose one! Tiff’s Treats are our cookie delivery folks. We did an entire platform for them: we’ve been working on mobile apps, back-end APIs, front-end, e-commerce websites. They’re the most technologically advanced cookie company you can imagine. Last year, we worked on an augmented reality solution with them, where you could scan your box of cookies and somebody can leave a custom video message for them. After you record that custom video message, it gets saved into your order and somebody scans their box of cookies with their mobile phone, and a virtual cookie walks on top of your box and plays your video. It’s taking a business that’s not a tech business but leveraging the most cutting edge technology that’s available, for such a cool purpose.Â
What’s your favorite feature in Productive?Â
Being a software guy, I’d say the APIs.
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